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Re: If you wish to set free will up as an absolute....then

Posted by trablano on September 23, 2002 at 12:11:04:
In Reply to: If you wish to set free will up as an absolute....then posted by ELDRAS on September 22, 2002 at 22:24:31:

: : : Hm, or less of all of those (health, freedom, more individuation, religious freedom, etc.) -- can result lessening of free will

: : I've looked at it more from the inside, trying to see when the individuum has lesser chances to make use of its free will.

: Then of course it can never have any limit at all.

The ability to freely decide oneself, in itself, has no limits indeed; it's deficiencies rather come from what it has to decide for or not, if what's up to be decided one can overlook or not. Yes, it's an outer form of free will.

: it's important you define free will.

To have or to not have a free will ... I do not think that humans do have a free will in this sense. If they have a free will it's the same free will an animal has, to go a certain way to the food, to use that hounting ground or that place for the nest.

: then reduce it to it's component parts.

I guess you can make some distinctions here ... to see where the decisions are made, to see from what they result. A game of information/evaluation, input/output.

: then see how/if yo may alter any one of them.

Control the input, become a master of the output.

: In the sense I think you mean it....absolute free will is impossible (that i know of).

: For this reason.

: that it would have no restriction.

: you are talking the old concept of ehat was known as 'God'...it's still used in the USA.

There is God and God, different people have different concepts of what God is. To some it remains an entity to which they can adhere, to some it remains an idea, a concept per se, to others it's a transcendent part of the self. Fact is they all need the word God.

: At that level 'God has no limits' is the prefered maxim

:
: But these are just games.

: In human terms one has so little self knowledge, that unconscious forces overwhelm our rational ends.

That last sentence of yours is great.



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