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Posted by Kessey on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 18:13:38 :
In Reply to: Re: distraction posted by Spratley on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 15:26:06 :
: : American president George W. Bush just wants to keep the war train going he and his government have installed since the 11 sept. Bush is only popular in America because of the patriotism he seems to light up in the people. And for this popularity to remain he needs the war in motion. Iraq just comes right in the way. Easy to see through.
: I saw two different kinds of reactions America could have had to September 11th. Let's think of it psychologically. A person experiences a severe trauma. They can either let it eat them or they can integrate it and heal from it. The person who heals from it will look at the traumatic event and try to find a cause in it, to see if there is something about themselves they should adjust to prevent it in the futre, to see if they can grow from the tragedy. They will also recognize the senseless aspects of it and cast them off, knowing that they can do nothing about it. They will hold the trauma up as a reminder, but use it as a rallying cry to improving their won strength.
: The person who does not heal from the trauma will fight against the senseless aspects of the tragedy. This person will also refuse to accept repsonsibility for the aspects they could have controlled. They will refuse any blame and blame the external factors all the more. They will displace the causes. This will eventually harm the person.
: Okay, that's all very general. I'm not trying to write a textbook on post traumatic stress disorder. So let me get specific. America could have responded to September 11th by saying, "Why would someone want to do this to us? What have we done to cause so much anger in others? What can we do to assuage this anger in others? What can we fix inside of ourselves to ensure that this does not happen again? But we didn't. Instead we said, "Those people attacked us for no justifiable reason at all. They need to be hnted down and brought to justice. Further, to ensure this never happens again we need to destroy anyone and anything that would commit such an unreasonable act."
: What I think we miss the boat on is that while there is a radical element in some people which would lead them to do despicable things to those they hate. There is a more primary cause. . . a cause which causes that radical element to spring into action. Some people would have you believe that Al Qaeda did what they did out of insanity and hate. They never think to mention what could have driven them to insanity or hate. They never say anything about what we do to the world, what we represent in the world.
: We will go to war with Iraq becasue we as a peopel are unwilling to address ourselves. We are unwilling to make the changes necessary to keep people from hating us. Instead the problem is out there somewhere, and we need to bomb each little patch we think it might be hiding in until we find it and kill it. Imagine destroying everything that hates America until there is no more hate for America in the world. Possible? Or would we fail simply by virte of creating enemies as a direct result of our efforts to kill all the enemies.
: We will go to war with Iraq because we refuse to take any blame for what goes wrong in the world, because we beleive that we are Right and everything wrong in the world results from people not accepting that we are Right.
: : : America all of a sudden awakens to the great injustice it has committed to the Iraqi people by allowing Saddam to stay in power after Kuwait's liberation in 1991, and decides to aid the people of Iraq to get rid of their dictator Saddam...this as a whole sounds really good, and the Iraqi people will at long last breath the fresh winds of Freedom for a change.
: : : The question here, is a giant & big WHY???
: : : Don't miss understand me, we Iraqis are really thrilled with the prospect of throwing Saddam into the great history's rubbish dump where he belongs once & for all, but why now?? is it really because of the 11 Sept. attacks that America started to tighten the loose ends that it had neglected for ages??
: : : Don't you think that American comprehension is at stake in here??
: : : to put it in other words: Are all American policy makers idiots who need a blow on the face to wake up?
: : : I really would like to know every body's opinions about the present American motives as far as Iraq is conserned.
: : : Thanx
It sounds like what your insinuating is a type of national mega-mania... I'm quite postive that there is a lot of indivduals ( as indivdual essentially make up nations) that would strongly disagree with the quote, unquote, Americian defintion of what is right and proper in world affairs. I mean really, a great number of Americians that I have met abroad have enough trouble identifying the capital of Canada let alone offering a pliable explanation, synthesis, and proposed iniciatives for world affairs.
At the end of the day, the CURRENT (there have been some decent Democratic Americian governments) Americian policy makers are not interested in doing what is right and proper for the worlds, their express interest is to defend the Americian materilistic life style at all costs. Clarifying my point, how can we, the world's audience, actually even consider following the suicide coarse of America???; for instance, the liberal and progressive world nations have agreed to sign the Kyoto agreement to slow the destruction of our shared environment due to green house gases... where is Americia, coincidentally the largets emitter, signature???? You guesed it, no where to be found... "HOW COULD WE DO THAT IT MIGHT EFFECT NEXT YEARS ECONOMIC OUTPUT". The question of relevence is; what about in twenty years, or worse yet, seventy??? Americian politics is currently taking on the hue and glitz of Hollywood. Policy makers put on a glitzy show as to steal the Americian and world publics eye away from issues of sustained importance. The only important issues that each four year regime seems to address is how the hell their going to be able to hold power for another four years. The answer, heavy handed spectacle that provides immediate reassurance and comfort to the Americian people... you might say: all style and no substance.
If one wants to do a pop pshychology assement of the Americian psyche as a whole the quickest way to do such is divide its way down to the average Americian citizen. Now I may be stepping into sticky waters here as I would be the first to admit that I have met Americian's of all makes, models,political, and philosophical orientaion, (many of whom I thought were pretty dam cool) BUT I still would not hesitate to add that using my facilities of deduction the people that I met still did on average come across more often then not in comparsion with people from other countries as the most self serving and egotistical. ( A common world view to be fair) The Americian notion of individualism to me has gone to far, it's caprice and self serving way's will in all honesty be the death of our world. The future is for looking for solutions collectivly; seeing past the span of one's own perpective, and forcing forward protocols that may cause some initial discomfort but be beneficial for the future. Until the average Americian is able to see beyond their own lot, what hope is there for a sustained future?
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