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Posted by trablano on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 06:25:02 :

In Reply to: Re: zeitgeist posted by Spratley on Monday, December 09, 2002 at 19:41:19 :

I see that you're trying to point me to what's going on politically. But, how blimp pointed out, that's all just external to me, and that is mainly because it's so strictly politically. What of what is going on could inspire someone, really? It's all just bleak bs, I feel. The war against terrorism ... religious desert crapheads against consumistic city crapheads, mostly american ones. I feel no sympathy for either side. Globalisation ... some economic trend which doesn't bother me, too, except that I'm a critic of it. I don't like to see anything globalised in this capitalistic way, only the big corporate groups and companies profit from it, and those wealthy enough to afford stocks and shares. Environmentalism ... that's a weak movement, except Genua (a scandal) it didn't have great influence. The politicians in most countries ignore it. If the whole process is still semi-democratic then it's gotten so that politics now supports the apathetic ones, or those that have big money. It seems to have gotten all out of our hands.

But I guess what's really disturbing me is the indifference of almost anyone. Also, there's almost nothing left what to cherish. No one who's worthy to be adored. There are no big artists left, all heroes like Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison are dead. No teachers like Sartre still live. The best politicians such like Gorbatchov are out of job.

I sometimes think it's just my country and try to read foreign newspapers to get out of it (I can't afford traveling right now, fucking money.). But from what I gather this apathy and indifference and nothingness is everywhere, even in france where I supposed to see at least a bit of action all the time. Even there there's stagnation, as the election proofed. I hate Chirac, what a pimp.

But enough rambling, I leave what's going on to the more intelligent minds...

: Well, start by looking at the events of the time, and then try to extrapolate them into abstract ideas.

: The War on Terrorism. The attempt to globalize the economy. Environmentalism. The attack on American Catholicism.

: These all represent opposing campaigns against insitutions. The fact that there is terrorism against America and its modern, civilized, democratic, capitaliztic allies suggests a tension between Institutions and those who beleive the Institution is flawed or malfunctioning. Some people exploit natural resources, advance technologies, attempt to get all peoples in all lands. . . and some others dislike them for it, fight against it, see it as evil. Environmentalism --people within a society's boundaries fight against an influence in their own country: the use of natural resources to serve industry, capital, population growth. Global economy --the attempt to make all natuions on all continents into a homogeneous system. . . and the people who fight against it.

: The thing is that all these fights resemble the thing they are fighting against. The Capitalists or whoever you want to call them pass regulations, lobby through the public media and execute programs, fight wars, and the peope lthat disagree with them try to implement programs, fight wars and work in the media.

: Then there's the third group who are apathetic, who drop out, who ignore it and despise the whole shooting match.

: This to me suggests that what is going on in the world is a tension between the system we have been living in for milleniam, and those who beleive it is time for another. Problem is, those who bleeive it is time for something new don;t know exactly what it is about the "old" that they dislike, and they don't know ehre to go.

: It all seems to be a sleepy stagnation because in a way it is. As a species we are gestating, cogitating, processing what we know and trying to figure out what to do next. It amounts to a bunch of milling around. Consider the cliche: "I have a bad feeling about this. Its quiet. Too quiet. . ." When in times of quiet, its time to et ready for something big. Watch for it.

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