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Posted by ELDRAS on Monday, December 02, 2002 at 00:25:42 :
In Reply to: Re: goethe was great posted by ryan on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 at 02:19:56 :
Hm Schopenhauer. Hitler's 'Bible' i heard.
Well Heasius the ancient greek philosopher was banned from preaching suicide as the only enlightenment. His listeners committed suicide immmediately after his lectures.
I fell into this thought as a youth. I thought death and life were equal for this reason:
That life can give you a maximum leasure
death a minimum of pain.
So tehy seemed equal.
Not good maths.
Witgenstein said all propositions are equal. (Tractatus0 but I think only 'true propositions' (my term, meaning propositions which can be shown to be useful to man) need be considered. And there is consequently, in this protagorian view, a heirarchy involved here.
The heirarchy of usefulness.
as to schopenhauer's view that suicide and life are eqauls: I now know this is wrong:
Life if infinite (I belive it potentailly is)
can produce more pleaure than the suffering we have received to date.
If we suicide, we have a certain amount of pain (minus amounts of nil)
If we live happily indefinte life spans, we will balance and show a surplus mathematically.
i think that obvious.
Einstein talked of the tyranny of the intellect at princeton. He said it has no values only methods.
I'm just saying that we must remain conscious of our values as beings, kindness, humanity virtues etc....and not merely reduce all to maths in some attempt to prove that maths is the master, not the servant of well the heart.
I don't believe in suicide.
: : What were Schopenhauer's views on suicide? Would Nietzsche and him advocate assisted suicide, like the state of Oregon now allows for terminally ill patients?
: In <i>The World As Will and Representation</i> Schopenhauer comes to the conclusion that if anyone could truly see what life really is (his idea of the universal will) they would realize it entails so much suffering that suicide was the only option. Did Schopenhauer claim to understand this "universal will"? Yep. Did he kill himself? Nope, he spent most of his time drinking, partying, and getting laid. (Oh and he despised women).
: As for assisted suicide, I don't think either would directly assisted suicide, although I don't think they would really be against it all that much. In <i>Thus Spoke Zarathustra</i> Nietzsche discusses the importance of "dying at the right time," claiming that one must not outlive his work (or "purpose") of life, but must also not die too soon. It appears, then, that assisted suicide, or even unassisted suicide would present a feasable solution to this.
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